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1) We call ourselves a part of the Commonwealth because we started out, after all, as a colony; a child-nation of sorts. Being part of the Commonwealth means being part of a family, or at least in the loosest sense, an ancestor. Unlike America, Canada simply asked Britain for its independence, and it was granted. Ergo, Canada's relationship with Britain never became adversarial the way the US did. And its because we aren't adversaries with Britain that we don't mind being considered a part of their vestigial family. Ultimately, being in the Commonwealth in its modern form just means being part of a strong alliance (militarily, economically, scientifically, and culturally), an alliance bound by shared blood and goodwill towards one another. The Governor General and King/Queen's role is almost entirely as figureheads; make no mistake, Canada still does it's own thing, we just adhere to some holdover ceremonies.

What all that means in the day-to-day life of an average Canadian is that we have royalty on the $20 bill, and made our form of abbreviated Olympics (the Commonwealth Games). Not especially impactful to anyone.

2) He's a native Canadian. During his economic career, he worked for the World Bank and the European Union. He's considered a global-level expert in economics. Remember that we Canadians actually *like* Europe, and consider them our unwavering allies.

But so what? You never met someone who worked internationally before?

3) We don't have a ton of population to sustain a global-level military force. We also don't really need to because A) Canada doesn't do a lot of geopolitical posturing. We don't conquer, we don't expand - we do peacekeeping missions, and we begrudgingly follow our allies into their wars. B) the US stepped in and took global military dominance; as we used to be very tight with the US (until *somebody*), it seemed unwise to over invest, especially in peacetime. C) Nobody was really in a position to invade Canada. NATO has our back, the US too (until you-know-who), and the land is so big that it wouldn't be easy. D) Most everybody is on good terms with Canada, so we don't really have many international enemies, just some common enemies of our allies.

4) China has 40 times our population, and the second largest economy in the world. You guys can't even stop China, why would you think we could stop China?

Also see above.

5) We get a lot of immigrants, because Canada seems like a nice place to live. That being said, Canada actually has some of the strictest immigration criteria in the world. A lot of folk coming in are exploiting loopholes (students living past their visas, and a lot of asylum claimants) - some PMs crack down on it, some don't. Trudeau announced some big immigration caps and Carney will be keeping them, so looks like this is a "cracking down" situation.

At any rate, Canada generally welcomes immigrants; immigrants become Canadians.

6) That takes investment and money; it doesn't happen for free. Also, we aren't communists - the only people made wealthy by exploiting resources are the exploiters. Maybe the occasional redneck Albertan with a 6th-grade education can make six figures working oil, but generally those "resources" aren't spread around. Ask yourself: how much money has Exxon given you lately?

Resource extraction also usually means infringing on either protected lands, or indigenous lands. Despite our past and despite your insistence, we actually do still give a shit about that stuff. Also, do you have any idea how much of Canada is remote wilderness, and how unfeasible it is to set up huge scale operations literally hundreds of kilometers from civilization? Go ahead, exploit some resources, let's see how that works out for you.

7) This is insanity. You are insane. Also, it's more accurately described and referred to as "climate change", not "global warming" - welcome to the 21st century. The End.
 
I'm not sure what is shocking. Without a doubt, there is a lot of misleading data floating around, but here' a rule of thumb --- the things you aren't allowed to say are always those that are just uncomfortably too close to the truth. The powerful have no problem with falsehoods (e.g. the Earth is flat), by the uncomfortable truths are what they censor. (e.g. Lab leak)

Also, not a single one of those points were an original idea of mine. I seldom pay Canadian politics any mind, but a few weeks ago I listen to an hour-long podcast with Maxime Bernier, a longtime Canadian politician who is running for PM as the People's Party of Canada (PPC) candidate. They are the points he raised (except #1, that was me).

There's no need to hash any of this out here, but I imagine every Canadian should have answers to these questions in their own heads.

I were to guess, it's the cavalier attitude towards climate change that is most shocking to @Malrex, so here's a plot for added context (made with an AI).

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To that I'll add my very serious doubts that CO2 controls global warming (0.06% of atmosphere & less than 10% of that = 0.006% is human-generated, also it's heavier than N2 so tends to sink and get reabsorbed), ---the historical data shows it lags temp, and the ICCC radiative GHG model is utterly sophomoric. Words like "the Medieval warm period", "little ice-age", and the long established fact that Roman times were much warmer, etc.---all point to climate-change being real, but not a by-product of industrialization.

That's why I believe Canada is shooting itself in the foot needlessly with talk of things like a "carbon tax", etc.
 
I prefer the smaller, 20th century, ethno-states to empires, and I don't particularly want the US/UK/EU/NATO to keep trying to micromanage the world.

I just don't think your country's sovereignty was ever in danger.

EDIT: Pondering this some more...if you truly care about national sovereignty:
(1) why are you still a part of the British Commonwealth?
(2) what's the deal with your new PM and his ties to the EU and WEF?
(3) why aren't you paying for your own military defense?
(4) why are you letting China do the things they are doing?
(5) what's the deal with the mass(ive) immigration?
(6) why aren't you using your natural resources to make yourselves wealthy?
(7) why aren't you cheering for global warming (Canada = cold!)?
1. The Commonwealth is a club. It isn't even a trading block. I am not aware of any legal obligations that any member owes to any other member. There is no loss of sovereignty.

2. The WEF is a think tank for people who want to talk about policy, and you may be surprised at how many conservatives from many countries, including your own, have attended WEF meetings before this particular conspiracy theory got legs. Our last conservative PM, Stephen Harper was involved with the WEF. Harper is very conservative and was the boss of Pierre Poilievre, our current conservative candidate for PM; in 2008, Poilievre attended Davos when he was Minister of Foreign Affairs. Also, Trump spoke at the WEF meeting in Davos on January 25, 2025, and I'm pretty sure he attended before until it became unfashionable in conservatives circles.

EDIT: Also, no legal obligations are owed to the WEF. There is no loss of sovereignty.

The EU is interesting as a market because they aren't applying tariffs to us, or threatening to annex us. Also they don't breach trade treaties whenever they feel like it. Also, they don't threaten to put spyware and kill switches in the military equipment they want to sell to us. Also, the new PM's ties are to the UK, which is no longer part of the EU, so 🤷‍♂️?

EDIT: Also, the only legal obligations are trade related and, as even your president knows, trade agreements can be broken. So also, no loss of sovereignty.

3. You got me there, I have wanted to boost military spending forever, and we are regretting not doing so now. But you need to understand, despite its rhetoric, prior to Trump the US wanted to be the largest spender, and even created obstacles for its NATO allies to purchase equipment, and purchased equipment frequently comes with strings attached. The US did this because it gave it more influence to impose its foreign policy, and it's why the top commander of NATO has never not been American, even though it was technically open to any country. NATO gave the US the ability to pressure NATO members to join in US actions, which gives US actions legitimacy. It also allowed the US to forbid NATO allies from using equipment in ways the US doesn't want, which is why it took so long for a lot of equipment to be supplied by Europe to Ukraine. If the US ever actually wanted other NATO countries to spend more, it could have nade it happen. I mean, it's making is happen right now, isn't it?

Of course, another issue is we didn't really have to worry about that much our northern border, because ice, and now we have to worry about it a lot, because climate change.

4. Re China, I don't know WTF you are talking about, you need to be more specific.

5. If you are asking why we have so many immigrants, we like immigration, and we like immigrants. We like the economic growth immigration brings. The only pushback at the moment is because of housing scarcity.

If you are asking about some theory that immigrants are piling across the Canadian border to get into the US, I don't actually think that is happening. We do get a lot of undocumented immigrants sneaking into Canada from the US, though. Some of us are expecting that to get a lot worse, particularly now that the US is deporting 2 year old US citizens with cancer without having any kind of hearing.

6. Re: natural resources, WTF are you talking about? We sell you more energy than anyone else in the world. You have relied on our electrical grid when yours breaks down. We don't sell as much to others because, you know, oceans? We were planning to sell you our rare earths and critical minerals but, you know, tariffs? We sell you better lumber for construction than you can grow at home, which is why your local lobby is constantly trying to get it tariffed.

Also, we are pretty wealthy. We are the 9th most wealthy economy in the world, despite our small population. We also have a much smaller national debt-to-GDP ratio, around 48% give or take; the US is around 99%. And that is despite having socialized health insurance (in most places lots of care is provided by private business but paid for by the government). That lower debt-to-GDP ratio is why I think we should have invested more in defence and intelligence, but the big limitation there was conservative politicians making it politically difficult to spend the money, which would have (and will now) require increasing the deficit for a period of time.

7. The 80s is calling, they want their lexicon back. It's called climate change because not everywhere changes in the same direction or by the same amount. The prairies are pretty arid, glaciers that regulated water flow are disappearing, and drought is becoming more common. The climate is generally less stable across Canada. We are getting way more forest fires, more flooding, more storms, more high winds. Canada is known for its water, but the actual amount of water available at any given time is less than you think, the things that regulated water availability, like glaciers, are disappearing.

But leave my description of what is actually happening aside. You know how you can tell that climate change is real and damaging? By the number of places where insurance companies used to sell insurance, that they are refusing to insure any more. Refusing to provide insurance is not woke, it is a business decision made because it is no longer profitable to provide insurance because of the size and frequency of the claims.

Also, see answer to #3.

Also, the US fucking military takes climate change really seriously, not because it is woke, but because changes in worldwide resource availability and operating environments are a strategic, operational and tactical issue. At least, they took it seriously until a couple of months ago.

Also, Trump is absolutely serious about annexation. Making those comments to "help with negotiations" doesn't really make sense if you aren't negotiating. And what negotiating is he doing with Denmark?

EDIT: Adding to this, the only thing that is slowing Trump down is the incompetence of his administration, and the amount of pushback he got from Canada. Because make no mistake, if economic or other kinds of force is applied, we will absolutely hurt ourselves in order to hurt you. I have often thought that the reason Canadians are so polite is so we aren't constantly beating the shit out of each other. Don't push us. Americans are all bluster; we aren't.

I also would like to point out that Bernier is a clown who only started the PPC because he lost his bid to be leader of the CPC. In 2008 that idiot resigned as Minister of Foreign Affairs because he left his confidential briefing book at the apartment of his girlfriend; that was back when accountability was a thing. So, good company with Peter Hegseth, I guess. I believe Bernier's party is currently running at 1.4% in the polls, because he's a clown, and Canadians know he's a clown.

In summary, please get out of your information bubble, it sucks. EDIT: Read something by somebody who is knowledgeable, and who you disagree with. That's what I do.
 
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If wanting peace over war, a smaller more transparent government, more personal autonomy from the state, and a return to blind justice enforced without political motives makes a person a fascist, then so be it.

The word has lost all of its original meaning and important historical context. It is now just a slur thrown around by the emotionally traumatized. Who traumatized them, you ask?

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Peace all. I concede. I will not change minds here & will again retreat into silence after this post.

However, if you are interested, the WEF is not the only international "think tank". For example, have a look at the Atlantic Council (9 former heads of the CIA). Mike Benz is a anti-censorship advocate who lays out the various interconnected bureaucratic international agencies and how they assert soft-power globally for the various state departments. He doesn't even argue they shouldn't being do it, he just gives you a peak under the hood and brings receipts.

Alternatively and less modern, the Marty Maid podcast (Spotify) is a nice history-as-narrative listen. There is an excellent six-part series, produced in 2015, called "Fear and Loathing in the New Jerusalem" that begins at the end of the 19th century and traces through the events of the first-half of the 20th century around the founding of modern Israel. It is very sympathetic to both the Jews AND the Arabs, and more fascinatingly it shows how the British empire operated in it's dealing with both--a primer on how governments manage empires. Record 9 years before the current situation in Gaza, it is illuminating and sometimes prescient---but still only one man's take.

I have 10 hours of commute each week and have finally switch off listening to NPR on FM radio after 25 years. Long-form podcasts have opened up a lot of new info for my brain to soak up. As a result, I repeat things I have heard (and may or may not believe--I cannot check hardly any of the data first-hand). When it goes against the popular narratives, people become "concern for me" and assume I have been mislead. It's an odd phenomena, to be sure. Asking questions is now bad? Thinking different is a crime? Growing up, the mantra of the Boomer counter-culture was "Think for yourself, and question authority". Not anymore? (when they've become the authorities)

Seriously folks. I've been "on-line" since 1980 (300 baud!). Do you really think I am some tech-ignorant Boomer that's been hyponotized by the evil internet and that you are yourselves somehow the only ones immune? When I ask questions or say things that go against the common narrative, do you really think they are without some thought and only surface-layer deep---parroting words my podcast masters have put into my brain unfiltered?

Where were you when we protested Bush Sr.'s invasion of Iraq? Were you protesting globalism and the WTO in the 90's when Clinton sent in Delta force undercover to frame the protestors? Did you support Occupy Wall Street? The Tea Party? These were the populist movements of their day. Today it's MAGA/MAHA: both of which are far bigger than just any single man (Trump/RJK Jr/Elon). Unelected bureaucrats that impinge on your rights, operate in the shadows (classified! need-to-know! plausible-deniability!), manipulate the media, and enrich themselves and corporate-donors via corruption are the norm throughout history. Self-governments with constitutional limits on governmental power are the rare (beautiful) exceptions. Truly, we've been swimming in propaganda and lies our entire lives---it's like water, so ubiquitous you hardly notice it. Don't hate me for pointing it out. The ones shouting you down with mindless slurs for asking questions are the real totalitarians (i.e. party loyalists).

Insane debt. Endless wars (or even WWIII). Chronic disease and shorter life-expectancy (for the masses). Reduced standard of living (for the masses). Intentional cultural destruction. Forced Vaccination. De-population. I'm not on board with any of that.

Adieu (lowers the Cone of Silence)
 
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I seldom pay Canadian politics any mind, but a few weeks ago I listen to an hour-long podcast with Maxime Bernier, a longtime Canadian politician who is running for PM as the People's Party of Canada (PPC) candidate. They are the points he raised (except #1, that was me).

Dammit squeen, this is your problem. If you had any sane sense of how things work, you'd not have taken anything Bernier says seriously. The PPC is a fringe party of ultra-right-wingers and verifiable bigots; they're the Proud Boys of Canadian politics. The fact the you even considered them a valid source of anything proves that you are so deep into the echo chamber that even your attempts to broaden internationally are stuck in the echo chamber.

Seriously, who pointed you to them? Never trust that source for anything ever again. It's like suggesting Mein Kampf as a primary research source. I don't say this as a Leftist trying to keep you away from the "the truth"; I say this as someone who can literally watch you being manipulated in real time, and it breaks my heart.

Asking questions is now bad? Thinking different is a crime?
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When I ask questions or say things that go against the common narrative, do you really think they are without some thought and only surface-layer deep---parroting words my podcast masters have put into my brain unfiltered?
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Also, not a single one of those points were an original idea of mine.

Problem is, you *don't* ask questions and think different. You follow instructions and listen to pundits and podcasters with agendas. You also vote against the best interests of everyone else in the country. A person who is genuinely curious doesn't take action until they have clarity - you, conversely, do not (see "Exhibit A" previous). You literally just said that the points you posted came from somewhere else - so which is it squeen, are you freethinking, or do your thoughts come from somewhere else?

Peace all. I concede. I will not change minds here & will again retreat into silence after this post.

The asylum patient will always have a hard time convincing the nurse that the giant rabbit standing in the corner is real.
 
Insane debt. Endless wars (or even WWIII). Chronic disease and shorter life-expectancy (for the masses). Reduced standard of living (for the masses). Intentional cultural destruction. Forced Vaccination. De-population. I'm not on board with any of that.

Yet you support that party that is doing it live, in front of your face. If you like internet reading so much, why don't you check out Project 2025, and let us all know how you feel about that one?

I found a good Reddit list of Trump's activity in his first 100 days of his second term (it's not even a complete list; there'd be no space for it). The Republicans have literally done all of this within the last 3 months:

Pardons all violent Jan 6th criminals

2 Israeli ceasefires collapse

Ukrainian ceasefire collapse/fail to launch

War with houthis/ signal gate 1.0 and 2.0

Lets houthis shoot down 10+ reaper drones

Threatens invasion of partner countries/alienates allies (Greenland, Canada, Mexico and Panama)

Threatens war with Iran

Threatens NATO alliance

Does Russia’s bidding against Ukraine/propaganda, pulling aid, intel, capitulation to land demands

Mark Fogal released for Russian cyber criminal

Dismantles foreign cyber crime defense

Multiple aviation accidents/blames DEI

DEI historical removals like Jackie Robinson/ Enola gay

Releases millions of gallons of water in CA to wrong place after fires

Addresses none of deadly tornadoes in central plains (busy winning his own golf tournament)

Markets down 10-20% / worse month since depression/market manipulation

Blows up his own trade deals and erases trillions from the market with dollar down 9%

Giant tariff tax / global trade war / *no tariffs on Russia

Crypto scams / Trump and Melania coins

Pardons Silk Road creator and crypto crooks

US boycotts/travel warnings/prolonged detainment

Froze NIH research grants and preventing federally funded scientists from travelling or talking about their work.

Gutted USAID wasting billions in aid and costing lives

Cuts funding to public media like npr + pbs

Took over Kennedy center

Hangs mug shot in White House

Let’s elons kid put a booger on resolute desk

Doge chainsaw to fed agencies with no DOD cuts and an actual increase in federal spending /mass “DEI firings”

Stops loans and programs like farm to school

Invites dictators to the White House

Loss of 1st and 5th amendment rights/deporting for opinions/due process/deporting homegrown criminals

El salvadorian detention camps/ Guantanamo bay failure

Threatens loss of 14th amendment - birthright citizenship

Threatens 16th amendment rights- congress setting tax rules

Threatens 19th amendment - save act/women’s voting rights

Threatens 22nd amendment - 3rd term

Weaponizes justice department/ Tesla vandalism = terrorism/ Jan 6 revenge

Measles + bird flu

Wasted 30k real eggs on Easter

F-47 jet and proposals for his image on currency, Rushmore, airport naming

Canceled Ebola prevention funding

Eliminates FDA regulations on food

Opens federal forests for logging and opens protected ocean space for fishing/drilling

White House = Tesla dealership

Golf trips EVERY weekend and some weekdays

Wastes millions attending Super Bowl, NASCAR, and ufc events

Trump Gaza /wants to create golden idols of himself

Attacks and sues private, state, and federal entities over constitutional rights/extortion

Attacks on trans including troops

Attacks the independence of the FED

Pro Child labor legislation

Gets rid of price caps on medicine like insulin

Reverses student loan forgiveness

Tries to reverse overdraft fee protection

Reverses climate legislation/guts epa

Violation of Separation of powers /criminal contempt

Mass Illegal Deportations

Masked secret police kidnapping people

Revoked citizenship for hundreds of thousands of refugees

Mass protests in all 50 states

Didn’t know about dead soldiers in Lithuania/golfed with Saudis instead of being there for dignified transfer of bodies

Didn’t release Epstein Files

Says “these things happen” after Florida school shooting

No “no tax on tips/overtime”

Brain worm autism theory/ persons list

Fruit loops made with real colors

SOH gets robbed and does glam shoot with foreign prisoners

DOI lies under oath

A1 sauce secretary of education

Trump GOLD card for Russian oligarchs

Announces military parade for his birthday

“Got rid” of PaPer straWs

Made shower heads Great Again

Baby bonus/mommy medals

100ft flag pole at the White House

GulF of AmEriCA

If you can't stomach the stuff you say you can't stomach, then how in the hell can you justify being on board with this?

This is why we say you're being manipulated, squeen. Even a single one of the items listed above is a horrifying thing (that you JUST SAID you're not on board with), but you're out here literally applauding them.
 
I will not change minds here & will again retreat into silence after this post.

Aw, don't be this way, dude. You're a grumpy old white poop and so are most of the rest of us here. When you weigh in on a LOTR post with talking points strait out of the manosphere, it seems a little disingenuous to feel butthurt when you get shouted down for it.

It's upsetting when the modern world intrudes on the cozy old hobbies and interests of our youth that some of us have chosen to take refuge in. It's threatening. This is our safe place. The instinct is to lash out, to drive the new away. Perhaps a more healthy way to look at it, though, is how amazing it is to have our children take interest in the things that captivated us at that age. To be amazed that the incredible new directions they take it. Breathing new life into our dusty dreams. Sometimes, it's not the story we would have written. Sometimes it's objectively stupid just as the adaptations of our favourite books in the 80's were frequently terrible. But it's still awesome to see nerd-dom alive and kicking. Stop rejecting it. To do so is to reject your own children, to refuse to see a possible future through their eyes. To only see the bleak end of your own world and wish the same for everyone else around you.

Look at the people arguing with you. They haven't dropped a cone of silence. Not because they want to dunk on some fashy troll online, but because even the people who find your prickly and adversarial on this forum seem to think you're worth bringing back to the table. Or at the very least talking you down from the ledge you're on.

We're here for you, man.
 
Aw, don't be this way, dude. You're a grumpy old white poop and so are most of the rest of us here. When you weigh in on a LOTR post with talking points strait out of the manosphere, it seems a little disingenuous to feel butthurt when you get shouted down for it.
Don't misunderstand. I am not butt-hurt or even upset, but I am muzzling myself out of politeness. Folks are getting triggered, and the board is suppose to be non-political. If I keep my opinions to myself, it helps keep relative peace. Y'all can nod along to the common world-view without rebuttal.

@DP: Most the items on your list I see from a starkly different perspective (you might want to diversify sources just a bit yourself), and am 100% OK with. Precisely what I voted for, which, like most of my 35 year voting history, has been to disrupt the status quo. Not an fan of cozy, entrenched parties & life-long privilege with a monopoly on political power. Still think Ross Perot would have been a great president. Ron Paul too. :)
 
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Dammit squeen, this is your problem. If you had any sane sense of how things work, you'd not have taken anything Bernier says seriously. The PPC is a fringe party of ultra-right-wingers and verifiable bigots; they're the Proud Boys of Canadian politics. The fact the you even considered them a valid source of anything proves that you are so deep into the echo chamber that even your attempts to broaden internationally are stuck in the echo chamber.

Seriously, who pointed you to them? Never trust that source for anything ever again. It's like suggesting Mein Kampf as a primary research source. I don't say this as a Leftist trying to keep you away from the "the truth"; I say this as someone who can literally watch you being manipulated in real time, and it breaks my heart.

I do have many problems. Here's one: I find myself in the horns of a dilemma.

Should I:

(a) Listen to Bernier himself speak for 1 hour and judge for myself.
--- O R ---
(b) Act on the advise of DP (who I think is foolish on almost every other topic), and based on an ad hominem attack against Bernier, censor my expose to his ideas?

Oy! I am perplexed. I just don't know what the right thing to do is. I am so lost in this mixed-up world. If only I had a "Big Brother" who could guide me in all things...
 
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I were to guess, it's the cavalier attitude towards climate change that is most shocking to @Malrex, so here's a plot for added context (made with an AI).

Please don't assume what I think and use it as a platform for your agenda. Thank you.
 
Please don't assume what I think and use it as a platform for your agenda. Thank you.
Sorry. What did you mean by "wow"? That was just my guess, given so little to go on.

Also...agenda? Is that what the kids are calling opinions these days?
 
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Don't misunderstand. I am not butt-hurt or even upset, but I am muzzling myself out of politeness. Folks are getting triggered, and the board is suppose to be non-political. If I keep my opinions to myself, it helps keep relative peace. Y'all can nod along to the common world-view without rebuttal.

@DP: Most the items on your list I see from a starkly different perspective (you might want to diversify sources just a bit yourself), and am 100% OK with. Precisely what I voted for, which, like most of my 35 year voting history, has been to disrupt the status quo. Not an fan of cozy, entrenched parties & life-long privilege with a monopoly on political power. Still think Ross Perot would have been a great president. Ron Paul too. :)
I'm curious where your line in the sand is. What thing or things could the Trump administration do that would cause them to lose your support?
 
I'm curious where your line in the sand is. What thing or things could the Trump administration do that would cause them to lose your support?
I voted for him in 2016 precisely because both the Democrats AND Republican parties hated him. A true outsider.

In 2019, I was listening solely to NPR and bought the whole J6 yarn, although "insurrection" always struck me as a bridge too far (i.e. no day-after plan, no support by the military, no one brought weapons, etc.). Similarly, his election denial made him seem like a sore loser---as was its intent.

I have learned more and slowly developed a very different opinion of both events. (We've been doing this same sort of stuff oversea for 80 years, why not try it at home?...looking at you 2015 Smith-Mundt Modernization Act).

So that was one line: a president who I perceived (at the time) as being unwilling to concede power. I am sure there are others. Despite what you think, if I thought he was truly corrupt or a warmonger (or senile)...I would immediately withdraw support. Instead I think I've finally located where the true corruption lies. "Fake news" indeed!

(An small aside: Neo-cons want war with Russia and/or Iran, and have been pushing for it pretty hard.)

Interestingly enough, Trump was still proud of "Operation Warps Speed" for COVID vax, coming into the election. The MAHA folks set him straight, and now we have the lab-leak and Fauci's gain-of-function evil for all to see on the official government website. This was the movement moving Trump. RJK Jr and Nicole Shanahan (both former abused Democrats) coming over to MAGA was huge. Butler, PA was a inflection point in history. Everything changed at after that.

I guess it all boils down to this for me: if there is a quasi-permanent ruling class making all the decisions that effect our lives in ways big and small (light bulbs!?! shower heads!?!), then that makes everyone else slaves. That's why I try to give supports to things that knee-cap the elites and limit government. Constant churn. Maximal freedom. Drag all the covert crap out into the daylight (and unshackle the internet/press) so We the People can make informed decisions.

But you've tricked me into rambling on about politics past my deadline.
 
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So, there is no line then, nothing they do could make them lose your support.
Are you being purposely obtuse? I spoke honestly. You answer with crass rhetoric? As I suspected, I am wasting time answering your questions, they are only intended to trap.

The proper reply, you disingenuous motherf***ker, was "thanks for taking the time and effort to answer my question".
 
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Are you being purposely obtuse? I spoke honestly. You answer with crass rhetoric? As I suspected, I am wasting time answering your questions, they are only intended to trap.

The proper reply, you disingenuous motherf***ker, was "thanks for taking the time and effort to answer my question".
Apologies, I see I missed a line. Thank you for answering my question.

Follow-up question. What kind of evidence would it require to show that he was indeed corrupt, a warmonger, or senile, and from what sources?

EDIT: If we keep going with this, we might want to move it to a new thread. There is a lot of good stuff in here from before this article started, and I would have to have Bryce nuke the whole thing because we are off side.
 
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