The Heretic
Should be playing D&D instead
You're nitpicking. It applies. There was the original D&D vibe which you loved. The vibe shifted to something different (Plots! 2e!) and you did not follow the vibe. Totally understandable.
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You're nitpicking. It applies. There was the original D&D vibe which you loved. The vibe shifted to something different (Plots! 2e!) and you did not follow the vibe. Totally understandable.
squeen
8, 8, I forget what is for
Then why choose a quote that denigrates those who did not choose the new crap-vibe?
Talking out of both side of your mouth.
The orginal D&D was an oddity...lightning in a bottle. It's not surprising that the mainstream didn't take to it. What followed was banal and ordinary. How you blame someone for not "moving on" to keep up with vapid trends?
The Heretic
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Solo looked extremely stupid. They didn't learn one of the lessons of the prequels. It is better to keep the mystery of what happened before the original trilogy. Instead when you reveal the story before the story, you lose the mystique. You make it pedestrian.
Solo seemed like a slam dunk since Han Solo is the most popular character from the original trilogy, but that was another reason why the movie failed. People have very strong opinions about Han Solo and what they think his history should be. It was primed to fail.
The Heretic
Should be playing D&D instead
I can see where the misunderstanding is. I am not quoting it because I agree 100% with her writing (truly, her writing is obnoxious) but because it illustrates an interesting point. There are trends, and when they abruptly change the obnoxious 'trendy' people feel they need to keep up, while the rest of us who liked the trend for the substance of the trend see no reason to move on. You didn't like where D&D was going. I respect that. There was a 'vibe shift' and you feel that it was BS and you had no reason to follow it.
(the quote wasn't meant to attack you, just to point something I thought added meaning to the conversation)
The Heretic
Should be playing D&D instead
Lol, I don't care that you reject it. It is a fact that Solo didn't do that well at the box office and I am explaining why. I happened to share that view.
The Mandalorian is something new. The Mandalorian is not a character that people have known and loved for 45+ years. And the immediate post-RotJ era isn't exactly canon, either. It is an interesting show. It also dovetails nicely into another one of my theories. Star Wars is at its best when the characters are on the run, by themselves (A New Hope, Empire Strikes Back). When they are part of a larger organization that's when things get boring (RotJ, the prequels, the sequel trilogy).
That was my first actual D&D experience as a kid! (Playing Powers and Perils with a friend in first grade predates that, but mostly just involved me getting disintegrated. I didn't even get to do anything.)
I think the Red Box art is terrific at creating an atmosphere, and getting rules only for levels 1-3 keeps complexity low while creating curiosity and a hunger for more and higher levels.
I think that's a terrific choice for teaching kids.
squeen
8, 8, I forget what is for
For a point of reference, I went through Doctor Who from Baker on-wards surrounded by friends who were rabid fans. With each new incarnation, I called it as I saw it---garbage versus quality.
I will now pompously say that history has proven me to be mostly correct in my real-time Whovian judgements. I have a reasonably acute shit-detector. And by "shit" I mean things that are just not made well...it's almost independent of whether I personally like its style or not.
"What is quality Phaedrus?"
I will now pompously say that history has proven me to be mostly correct in my real-time Whovian judgements. I have a reasonably acute shit-detector. And by "shit" I mean things that are just not made well...it's almost independent of whether I personally like its style or not.
"What is quality Phaedrus?"
The Heretic
Should be playing D&D instead
There's a reason why it's been emulated over the years. 5e has a version, don't they? Pathfinder also released something like it for 1e (and maybe even 2e, I'm not sure).
The Heretic
Should be playing D&D instead
Hmm, the fact that you like Doctor Who to begin with makes me doubt you have a very good shit detector.
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5E's version of the basic rules is good, but while it restricts itself horizontally ("only" 4 character classes, no additional subclasses) it doesn't restrict itself vertically (spans the full level 1-20).
As a pedagogical tool I think the Red Box set has the right idea. 5E's Basic Set apparently has different design goals: it's trying to be a complete, free game. (Needs more play examples though, a la Rath and Delsenora.)
squeen
8, 8, I forget what is for
See how much I am capable of overlooking to perceive the essence of a thing?
Seriously...you spoiled brats of the 80's & 90's...there was a time (before Star Wars...before even the animated LotR) when all my D&D group of friends and I had for fantasy or SciFi was the original Star Trek, 2001, Tolkien & Asimov (books), Doctor Who and the Harryhausen Sinbad movies.
NO VCRs EITHER! NO UNCUT MOVIES ON TV!
D&D was a godsend for our starved imaginations and copious amount of free time.
I'm not sure the fantasy glut has helped us.
Beoric
8, 8, I forget what is for
What is refusing to study and learn from the past after 1984?
There are no good D&D editions other than the one you started with. Non-classic playstyles are garbage. Character classes that deviate from the 4 basic tropes are garbage. There are no good Star Wars movies that deviate from the standard form. The LoTR movies are garbage because they deviate from the books. There are no good Dr. Who's after Tom Baker.
I'm not saying being nonpolitically conservative is a bad thing, but I really think it is a you thing. I mean, maybe you are uber-flexible in your personal life, but we don't see much of it here.
The Heretic
Should be playing D&D instead
See how much I am capable of overlooking to perceive the essence of a thing?
That's true.
What about Blake's 7? If I'm going to watch British sci-fi with terrible production values, I'm going to watch that over Doctor Who. I suppose it came out right at the same time as Star Wars though.
Yes, I remember those dark days before Star Wars. Logan's Run (the TV series, blech!). Million Dollar Man. I saw Star Wars when I was four(ish) and didn't look back.
squeen
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Blake's 7, yeah. Tomorrow People....and 70's comics.
I watched the All New Uncanny X-men go to pot after John Byrne left the series. It was a an eye opener on the corrosive effects of mass popularity. Seriesly folks...I didn't see the drop in quality coming---I had no life context. It took me completely by surprise. Childhood trauma.
squeen
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Over-simplified and off-point. I am not going to bother correcting this. You hear (from me) what you expect to hear---when it conflicts with your thinking, I get lumped into a conceptual box that's easier to process. Whatever...
The1True
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I agree with this 100%. That is why I, and I assume many others, am here. This does not mean we should reject the present, however.
The1True
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Yeah man, Woody's always great!
The1True
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Yessssssss