"Roleplaying" versus "Specificity"

DangerousPuhson

My my my, we just loooove to hear ourselves don't we?
Inspired by the latest browbeating-for-playing-D&D-wrong post on Blackrazor - https://bxblackrazor.blogspot.com/2025/10/dear-jb-mailbag-44.html

To clarify -

This is roleplaying:
"Greetings my lady, I am Sir Farkburg of Jorst, at your service!" *I slyly wink at her* "I have come to understand - through no small effort mind you - that you are in need of assistance. Might I offer my services in problem-solving? I come highly recommended!" *I do a small bow, while trying to avoid gazing over to my thief companion behind her*

This, by contrast, is specificity:
*I greet the lady with all the courtesy befitting to her station and offer my assistance as a distraction - meanwhile, the thief is trying to sneak around and rifle through her handbag, which he attempts to do using the custom magnetic gloves we just purchased*

Lastly, this is how JB explains that the game should be played ("Just good, hard, solid D&D", as he calls it):
*The thief is going to pick the woman's pocket*

Like it's a game of Zork or something - "GET FLASK" indeed.

My premise: providing details and describing procedure is NOT the same as roleplaying. It is merely being specific, which is and always has been a part of "proper D&D" (think back to the Tomb of Horrors, and the maze of doors that requires you to open each of the doors in specific ways - lifting one, pushing another, opening one by the hinges, etc.). Roleplaying is not describing how one swings a sword, or how one picks a pocket - that is specificity, something that has long been in the game. How many AD&D modules have traps that require you not step on certain parts of a big floor, or locks that open when the key is turned counter-clockwise instead of clockwise, or monsters that can be placated with particular bait? Those instances demand specificity; they have nothing to do with roleplaying.

Conversely, how detrimental is it really to your game of quote-unquote "proper" D&D to speak in a dramatic manner? How does pantomime and voice-work detract from your game in any way whatsoever? How is your game so fragile that it can be derailed just because your players choose to speaketh through ye olde-time mannerisms? Is it not still "playing D&D"? Is it "incorrect", and per whom? Are the D&D police going to arrest them and confiscate their PHB?

If you're around JB, I'd sure love for you to expand your position on this, because it makes no fucking sense.

As a side note: you can't anthropomorphize characters and NPCs, silly - they are already ascribed human characteristics by virtue of being humanoids. You anthropomorphize animals and objects, which unless you're playing some sort of Beauty and the Beast scenario, doesn't exactly happen all that often (ok, ok, newfangled warforged notwithstanding).
 
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Yeah, JB's opinions are so inflexible he was unable to ascertain that the writer was describing exactly what JB thought was appropriate D&D. JB reacted to the word "roleplay" without actually reading what the guy was saying. All dude wants from the player is an approach. The approach lets you as a DM determine what the chances of success are. It is especially important when you are running a rules-lite game like B/X which does not have a developed skill system, and therefore must rely heavily on narration to resolve actions. Dude is merely reacting to the "I use Diplomacy" style of play.

So mostly I agree with you, but you're wrong on this one:

Conversely, how detrimental is it really to your game of quote-unquote "proper" D&D to speak in a dramatic manner? How does pantomime and voice-work detract from your game in any way whatsoever? How is your game so fragile that it can be derailed just because your players choose to speaketh through ye olde-time mannerisms? Is it not still "playing D&D"? Is it "incorrect", and per whom? Are the D&D police going to arrest them and confiscate their PHB?

because JB said this:
Is role-playing a “unicorn?” I’ll say again: no. Role-playing happens all the time in a D&D game. Players internalize and identify with their character…they ACT (that is “behave”) as their character would, given the situation and circumstances of the game. They even “talk in character” on occasion, with or without changing the tone of their voice. They do this BECAUSE THEY ARE ENGAGED in the game…so engrossed that they tune out what is going on around them, narrowing their focus to the action at the table.[/q]

but you can be forgiven if you didn't get that far into the rant before zoning out. I'm not really sure why you read JB anyway, he's just going to piss you off. From the time I have spent on his site, he's too hidebound to have anything imaginative to say that would be of the slightest use anyway.
 
That point mostly stems from when he says this:

"Yes, praying for “better role-playing” is praying to a false idol. What you should be seeking is better D&D."

It makes it sound very much like better roleplaying =/= better D&D (or at least that it is apparently a bad move to seek more roleplay), to which I react with: "How is roleplay anything but bettering to your game? Where's the detriment? What harm is this causing?".

Either way, you're right, I really should stop reading what he writes, particularly since I derive no benefit and use none of his advice. I can't help it though, just like how I can't help but click on news articles about Trump tearing down the White House, or reading more about the war in Sudan, or checking out the other millions of outrage-inducing things in the news these days. Bad takes are morbidly entertaining, albeit bad for my blood pressure.
 
There's a certain element of people who adopt "old school" as an identity that think the word "roleplay" describes amateur thespians over-emoting, regardless of how Gygax used the term in the DMG. So they mock the people who use the term to mean what Gary meant. It's why I've adopted the phrase "narrative play" instead, although TBH I'm not sure why that hasn't been misinterpreted as storygaming. But for people who haven't spend a decade or so trying to find ways to talk to grogs without triggering them, they tend to use the word "roleplaying" to describe roleplaying, the naive fools.

JB kind of pisses me off, if it isn't obvious.
 
JB kind of pisses me off, if it isn't obvious.
Likewise. His mailbag posts consists of 50% telling people "YOU'RE PLAYING D&D WRONG, IDIOT!", and 50% "MODERN D&D ISN'T REAL D&D!". I don't jive with grumpy grog rants.

It's funny because nobody actually sends him anything for his "Dear JB" stuff... he just grabs random posts from Reddit that were addressed to a wide audience of other Redditors (while constantly shit-talking Reddit), pretends that they're messages addressed to him personally, answers to his own niche blog instead of to the person actually posing the question, and then acts all smug about it. A bit of "Old Man Yells At Cloud" going on. If he actually posted his response to Reddit - to the originator and all the people genuinely having a dialogue about the issue - they'd downvote him into oblivion.
 
It's funny because nobody actually sends him anything for his "Dear JB" stuff... he just grabs random posts from Reddit that were addressed to a wide audience of other Redditors (while constantly shit-talking Reddit), pretends that they're messages addressed to him personally, answers to his own niche blog instead of to the person actually posing the question, and then acts all smug about it.
Seriously? You have seen the posts, or this is just something you heard about?
 
I have never been able to figure out how reddit works, is it not possible for there to be DMs, or for users to have a portion of the site (page? thread? I don't know) dedicated to their pet projects?

I mean, it totally tracks, he follows the Tao of D&D, who is seriously ethically challenged. I got in an argument with him in his comments section one time, and he deleted the argument, then wrote a post misstating what I said, with his brilliant rebuttal of an argument I never made. Putting up a straw man and hiding the real man, as it were.
 
I have never been able to figure out how reddit works, is it not possible for there to be DMs, or for users to have a portion of the site (page? thread? I don't know) dedicated to their pet projects?
Technically? He could be getting DM's through Reddit (up until seven months ago, when that feature was removed), but that would be a really wierd way to contact someone.

Redditers wouldn't likely DM him unless he were soliciting DM's. For him to do that, he would have had to make a publically-visible post on Reddit about it. And even then, people would probably just respond to that post.

"The ol' Reddit mailbag" may just whatever he finds on r/OSR and r/DnD.
 
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"The ol' Reddit mailbag" may just whatever he finds on r/OSR and r/DnD.
Yes, he just picks random Reddit posts and responds to them on his blog (as opposed to on Reddit, where... you know... the question was being posed). It's not mail that's sent directly to him; it's a post blasted out to hundreds of thousands of viewers. He doesn't post his reply where the asker can see, in the Reddit thread he's swiping material from; he doesn't even post a link to his blog there. This is because his positions about D&D run counter to the overwhelming popular opinion of the game.

For instance, the post I linked to originally is him responding to a Reddit post he found here: From the general D and D subreddit

And the top answer on said post (with 460 upvotes) is this piece of advice:
When players are reluctant (for whatever reason) to roleplay, I usually do it for them. Like, I'll ask and if I get nothing, I'll just describe what happened myself. I don't know EXACTLY what happens in the process, but with time players get more relaxed and eventually start describing their actions and roleplaying.

Which is very obviously NOT aligned with the answer JB provided to himself, in his own blog. I can understand having an unpopular opinion and not wanting to post it where everyone can judge it for themselves, but I can't forgive the absolute smugness/dismissiveness of someone being so preachy about something so unpopular the way that JB is.
 
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And the top answer on said post (with 460 upvotes) is this piece of advice:
When players are reluctant (for whatever reason) to roleplay, I usually do it for them. Like, I'll ask and if I get nothing, I'll just describe what happened myself. I don't know EXACTLY what happens in the process, but with time players get more relaxed and eventually start describing their actions and roleplaying.
FWIW, that isn't my jam (I prefer the player to narrate the approach, and the DM to narrate the result), but that doesn't make it wrong.
 
So in addition to being an asshole, he's also liar and a fraud. Adding "Dear JB" to the front of that is just contemptible.

I need a "sneer" emoji.
With all my dislike of his specific attitude - he stated he is doing just that in his preamble (several posts back)
i.e. He stated that he is going to pick reddit posts, "pretend" they are addressed to him an answer them.
So brash, uncouth, disagreeable to you, but not a fraud 🤷‍♂️
 
With all my dislike of his specific attitude - he stated he is doing just that in his preamble (several posts back)
i.e. He stated that he is going to pick reddit posts, "pretend" they are addressed to him an answer them.
So brash, uncouth, disagreeable to you, but not a fraud 🤷‍♂️
Ah, I see, he mentioned that 43 "letters" ago back in February, my bad, I did not get that far.
 
I wonder if he saw this commentary on his blog, as he has a recent post explaining the 'mailbag'.

It's funny, I started reading his blog just recently. I like some of the commentary on older modules, but skipped the mailbag posts altogether. No interest.

It's probably pointless to try to prove to him and other grognards that 4e or 5e are good games, and this is perfectly fine. When I was younger I would've dove head first into these kind of arguments. Now I think, why waste the time?

(also, I think he meant personify, not anthropomorphize)


The Heretic
 
It's funny, he recently posted about the Principia Apocrypha, saying this about the title:

Principia is a Latin word meaning "beginnings" or "fundamental principles." Apocrypha is a Greek word meaning "hidden" or "secret." Setting aside the question of why we are mixing languages (other than the pretension of making it sound like some sort of scholarly treatise)...

Then the next day he makes a posting of what he calls the "Codex of Old School Axioms" on his blog, apparently unaware that the term "codex" by definition means a script in book form (i.e. the exact opposite of a digital blog post). Even funnier is that "codex" is Latin, and "axiom" is Greek!

"Setting aside the question of why we are mixing languages (other than the pretension of making it sound like some sort of scholarly treatise)", indeed JB.

Oh, and it's naturally problematic and full of contentious declarations, but that's par for the course by now.
 
I still read Blackrazor B/X occasionally, but I agree he can go on (and on) about topics that seem irrelevant to me. The kids don't like the old ways of playing D&D? Who cares!

The thing that most annoys me is the constant references to his alcohol use. Are we in high school or college still, where you can show how cool you are by how much you drink? Annoying.


The Heretic
 
The thing that most annoys me is the constant references to his alcohol use. Are we in high school or college still, where you can show how cool you are by how much you drink? Annoying.
I think a lot of the more obnoxious parts of the blogosphere are stuck in high school or college. They are often arguing in favour of their right to not engage in critical self-reflection. Like, "I want to do things exactly the way I did 40 years ago, and anyone who does anything different is doing badwrongfun," doesn't exactly scream "personal growth."
 
I think a lot of the more obnoxious parts of the blogosphere are stuck in high school or college.
You know how when you age you expect to hit a turning point where you suddenly feel like a full proper adult, but that point never really comes, and you realize that people are all just basically winging everything and that all the adults you knew growing up weren't quite as well put together as you'd thought? Most folk pivot and try to aim loftier; they try to act like the adult they always thought they were supposed to turn into. Or at the very least, they try to act like the adults that they believe society expects them to be.

Other folk just... don't. They regress to immaturity, refuse to adapt, and bury themselves in comfortable nostalgia - these are the people that are always telling everyone that the old ways are better and that newfangled things are wrong. They also happen to be the most obnoxious and vocal people, because they act like children, and children are vocal and obnoxious. And while their way of acting regresses, their actual brain is aging and degenerating, causing them to act even worse. It's a bad spiral.
 
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