TerribleSorcery
Should be playing D&D instead
Yeah, but we had several contests HERE too, remember?
Me and the DMG
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TerribleSorcery
Should be playing D&D instead
It's true, they did!
Holy belated clap-back batman! Are you seriously dusting this one off? Because I'm game to dig into it this if you are...
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squeen
8, 8, I forget what is for
I hope to start posting more after the New Year. Work exhaustion is part of it, but also my players are at college so it's more D&D art lessons and less D&D prose recently. In general, there never was much interest in art side here (except from Malrex)---which is fine. It's too much sausage-making fiddly details yadda-yadda-yadda if you aren't trying to do it yourself.
In all honesty, I think I'm all caught up on the other editions and have pretty solidly decided that there's nothing there for me. Having given up on Smorgasboard or a la carte homebrew rules in favor of something more traditional (AD&D), I find I'm not on the same wavelength with most of the folks outside of K&KA. Any shock or outrage I ever felt over "WTF did they do to D&D in the last 30 years?" is pretty much spent. When I first played D&D it was an unpopular niche hobby --- and now the D&D I like is an even less popular niche hobby (with a bunch of mutant cousins). Que Sera. EOTB has repeatedly cautioned me on the futility of trying to sway folks to your way of thinking. Tilting at windmills no more! I'll save telling people what I think about the "new crap" for those foolish enough to specifically asked for my outdated opinion. (Total takers so far + future number expected = ZERO.)
What is left to post about is the great lessons Bryce teaches us about writing --- I used to think he was talking about D&D, but I've come to realize it's really far more universal than that. Really the next big effort for me will be polishing up an Adventure and getting it out the door, i.e. trying to apply all of the Brycian lessons in the concrete. With work still in high gear, that's too much for me to handle for now...so it sits on the back burner. Hopefully the stars align and I can finally engage in the next contest.
I was surprised when DP left, but I don't miss him. I think that after he realized his style of D&D (5e and improvisational) was not in vogue here, his contributions became fewer and increasingly negative. Provoked? Well...@T1T, we'll just have to continue to disagree about that...but storming off after getting rebuked was entirely inline with his unfettered personality. You (T1T) loved his wild side. I get that. Sounds like you like that in your RPGs too.
Another future adventure for me might be to try and run an on-line campaign (with adults!). Fall/Winter 2022? Also, finishing up my mass combat simulator.
But (provocatively?) on the topic of this thread: I still firmly believe the 1e DMG appears to be impenetrably arcane because it's next-level magic.
In all honesty, I think I'm all caught up on the other editions and have pretty solidly decided that there's nothing there for me. Having given up on Smorgasboard or a la carte homebrew rules in favor of something more traditional (AD&D), I find I'm not on the same wavelength with most of the folks outside of K&KA. Any shock or outrage I ever felt over "WTF did they do to D&D in the last 30 years?" is pretty much spent. When I first played D&D it was an unpopular niche hobby --- and now the D&D I like is an even less popular niche hobby (with a bunch of mutant cousins). Que Sera. EOTB has repeatedly cautioned me on the futility of trying to sway folks to your way of thinking. Tilting at windmills no more! I'll save telling people what I think about the "new crap" for those foolish enough to specifically asked for my outdated opinion. (Total takers so far + future number expected = ZERO.)
What is left to post about is the great lessons Bryce teaches us about writing --- I used to think he was talking about D&D, but I've come to realize it's really far more universal than that. Really the next big effort for me will be polishing up an Adventure and getting it out the door, i.e. trying to apply all of the Brycian lessons in the concrete. With work still in high gear, that's too much for me to handle for now...so it sits on the back burner. Hopefully the stars align and I can finally engage in the next contest.
I was surprised when DP left, but I don't miss him. I think that after he realized his style of D&D (5e and improvisational) was not in vogue here, his contributions became fewer and increasingly negative. Provoked? Well...@T1T, we'll just have to continue to disagree about that...but storming off after getting rebuked was entirely inline with his unfettered personality. You (T1T) loved his wild side. I get that. Sounds like you like that in your RPGs too.
Another future adventure for me might be to try and run an on-line campaign (with adults!). Fall/Winter 2022? Also, finishing up my mass combat simulator.
But (provocatively?) on the topic of this thread: I still firmly believe the 1e DMG appears to be impenetrably arcane because it's next-level magic.
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I hope to start posting more after the New Year. Work exhaustion is part of it, but also my players are at college so it's more D&D art lessons and less D&D prose recently. In general, there never was much interest in art side here (except from Malrex)---which is fine. It's too much sausage-making fiddly details yadda-yadda-yadda if you aren't trying to do it yourself.
In all honesty, I think I'm all caught up on the other editions and have pretty solidly decided that there's nothing there for me. Having given up on Smorgasboard or a la carte homebrew rules in favor of something more traditional (AD&D), I find I'm not on the same wavelength with most of the folks outside of K&KA. Any shock or outrage I ever felt over "WTF did they do to D&D in the last 30 years?" is pretty much spent. When I first played D&D it was an unpopular niche hobby --- and now the D&D I like is an even less popular niche hobby (with a bunch of mutant cousins). Que Sera. EOTB has repeatedly cautioned me on the futility of trying to sway folks to your way of thinking. Tilting at windmills no more! I'll save telling people what I think about the "new crap" for those foolish enough to specifically asked for my outdated opinion. (Total takers so far + future number expected = ZERO.)
What is left to post about is the great lessons Bryce teaches us about writing --- I used to think he was talking about D&D, but I've come to realize it's really far more universal than that. Really the next big effort for me will be polishing up an Adventure and getting it out the door, i.e. trying to apply all of the Brycian lessons in the concrete. With work still in high gear, that's too much for me to handle for now...so it sits on the back burner. Hopefully the stars align and I can finally engage in the next contest.
I was surprised when DP left, but I don't miss him. I think that after he realized his style of D&D (5e and improvisational) was not in vogue here, his contributions became slowly and increasingly negative. Provoked? Well...@T1T, we'll just have to continue to disagree about that...but storming off after getting rebuked was entirely inline with his unfettered personality. You (T1T) loved his wild side. I get that. Sounds like you like that in your RPGs too.
Another future adventure for me might be to try and run an on-line campaign (with adults!). Fall/Winter 2022? Also, finishing up my mass combat simulator.
But (provocatively?) on the topic of this thread: I still firmly believe the 1e DMG appears to be impenetrably arcane because it's next-level magic.
Role-playing isn't storytelling. If the dungeon master is directing it, it's not a game.
- Gary Gygax
"Dungeon Master: The Life and Legacy of Gary Gygax" March 10, 2008.
TerribleSorcery
Should be playing D&D instead
It seems like the useful locus of energy of good gaming discussions is a perpetually moving target.
Prince has a good thing going on his blog, but he's cultivated it for years, and his writing and mannerisms have changed a lot in that time. Lots of great talks over there (and some shitposting of course). His contest was a good example. These things take a lot of work - and it is easy for some area of discussion to fall into the same old fights about editions, rule 0 or weapon vs. AC. I'd rather play Russian Roulette, thanks!! If you wanna talk gaming *usefully*, it takes work to do it well - and some times people just run out of new things to say to each other. The balance between 'we need new blood' and fighting the same old battles every fucking time is... a task left up to those more socially ept than myself.
C'mon EOTB... let's see a blog post about the Six Basic Forum Conversations.
Prince has a good thing going on his blog, but he's cultivated it for years, and his writing and mannerisms have changed a lot in that time. Lots of great talks over there (and some shitposting of course). His contest was a good example. These things take a lot of work - and it is easy for some area of discussion to fall into the same old fights about editions, rule 0 or weapon vs. AC. I'd rather play Russian Roulette, thanks!! If you wanna talk gaming *usefully*, it takes work to do it well - and some times people just run out of new things to say to each other. The balance between 'we need new blood' and fighting the same old battles every fucking time is... a task left up to those more socially ept than myself.
C'mon EOTB... let's see a blog post about the Six Basic Forum Conversations.
Malrex
So ... slow work day? Every day?
I encourage @squeen to post a new thread of his art to share.
"EOTB has repeatedly cautioned me on the futility of trying to sway folks to your way of thinking."
EOTB is like the Yoda of the OSR community...very wise and I'd do well to follow his advice as well.
But don't be mad when my next adventure has a NPC named Squeen the Paladin.....I JEST! I JEST!!!!
I'm hoping to post more but been super busy too. Kickstarter, some of us are talking about doing Zinequest in February, helping Prince with layout for his contest (should be done soon!), and ya, got a little exhausted myself of some of the debates here that I helped start.
After months of training and planning, I just joined the random allotment for a Pacific Crest Trail permit. They only allow 35 people per day from March to May...and have another running in January for 15 people per day. But I was probably one of the last 10 people to get a spot...May 29th. I'm thankful that I put it in and should get it (its still pending review), but I really wanted to start April 1st...starting that lay in May, I may die from the heat in the desert section (700 miles). But I'm excited for my adventure and will probably disappear from here for 5-6 months. I'm hiking with a waterproof graph paper notebook so I can do maps/notes for adventures--its worth the weight to me.
"EOTB has repeatedly cautioned me on the futility of trying to sway folks to your way of thinking."
EOTB is like the Yoda of the OSR community...very wise and I'd do well to follow his advice as well.
But don't be mad when my next adventure has a NPC named Squeen the Paladin.....I JEST! I JEST!!!!
I'm hoping to post more but been super busy too. Kickstarter, some of us are talking about doing Zinequest in February, helping Prince with layout for his contest (should be done soon!), and ya, got a little exhausted myself of some of the debates here that I helped start.
After months of training and planning, I just joined the random allotment for a Pacific Crest Trail permit. They only allow 35 people per day from March to May...and have another running in January for 15 people per day. But I was probably one of the last 10 people to get a spot...May 29th. I'm thankful that I put it in and should get it (its still pending review), but I really wanted to start April 1st...starting that lay in May, I may die from the heat in the desert section (700 miles). But I'm excited for my adventure and will probably disappear from here for 5-6 months. I'm hiking with a waterproof graph paper notebook so I can do maps/notes for adventures--its worth the weight to me.
squeen
8, 8, I forget what is for
Ditto and thanks. When you can get free art tips and feedback there from artists the likes of Peter Mullen, Juju, Axe Mental, and Hawk --- that's hugely helpful. It's been great. Focusing on creativity and with no eye for the mass market...making plans for future endeavors at a leisurely pace...all that suits me just fine.
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TerribleSorcery
Should be playing D&D instead
Oh I agree. Like you say, once you find what works for you, a great deal of forum-ing becomes superfluous.
I think the best forum material is to be found in that creative sharing: artists posting up their work, long-running campaign play reports (some of those old Dragonsfoot ones are pure magic - look at the original Fomalhaut ones by Premier).
Or the better threads on here wherein folks would try to take apart others' work and see what worked about it & what didn't. Instead of lofty theory, it was nuts & bolts of "this is good, that could be improved."
The1True
8, 8, I forget what is for
Well written! I support this 100%!
He didn't leave he was unceremoniously and arbitrarily booted and then he didn't come back. (why would he?) I'm not going to nitpick over the arbitrariness; he was going to get himself booted one way or the other eventually. We're nerds, average age 40ish. All of us had to put up with some pretty problematic individuals in our immediate friend-groups growing up. I don't think I'm alone in this assertion. Being a geek in the 80's was not easy and you couldn't always choose your friends. Often, getting rid of that guy was death to the group. If we all agree all the time, there's nothing to talk about.
I 100% support this as well! I offer you no ill will when I say I think this may be an eye-opening experience for you brother. Keep your mind open!
Yes, this article needs to be written! Make sure it offends absolutely everyone!!!
D&D was better when I could play from 10 AM Saturday morning til 2 AM, collapse on my buddy's couch, wake up at 10 and play another 6 hrs while his mom brought us cookies and sammidges all day. Those days aren't coming back til our kids lock us up in the DnD Nursing Home (TM). The OSR is about trying to recapture a time and a place that is gone forever. It is a noble and worthy pursuit.
Well said! I think we had a number of debates here that went for pages and pages without acrimony; so it CAN be done. Some people just rub each other the wrong way and eventually it gets personal. That's where moderation should cool things down, not stoke the fires. I'm afraid the bloody infighting (which must've looked pretty petty from the outside) turned a lot of the 'new-blood' off, which is too bad. There are a lot of creative and knowledgeable people who frequent this forum. Newbies should feel encouraged to ask questions and seek opinions and feedback. Adventure Design and Reviews, man. It's all there in the title.
We'll miss ya bro! Pretty exciting though...
I am anti boot
The rubber industry has grown strong in the age of house McDonalds created
Then left in fear
To turn one sided in conversation for fear of the beasts thy wrought
Are they clouds
of heavenly fragrance?
As they swell
and roar round me,
shall I breathe them,
shall I listen to them?
Shall I sip them,
plunge beneath them,
to expire in sweet perfume?
In the surging swell,
in the ringing sound,
in the vast wave
of the world's breath –
to drown,
to sink
unconscious –
supreme bliss!
The rubber industry has grown strong in the age of house McDonalds created
Then left in fear
To turn one sided in conversation for fear of the beasts thy wrought
Are they clouds
of heavenly fragrance?
As they swell
and roar round me,
shall I breathe them,
shall I listen to them?
Shall I sip them,
plunge beneath them,
to expire in sweet perfume?
In the surging swell,
in the ringing sound,
in the vast wave
of the world's breath –
to drown,
to sink
unconscious –
supreme bliss!
squeen
8, 8, I forget what is for
Thanks for the warning, but I think if playing with old farts is very much worse than playing with 20-year-olds, then I'll pull the plug on it pretty quickly. Hopefully that won't be the case.
The1True
8, 8, I forget what is for
I guess if you look for groups that play AD&D 1e RAW, you won't run into houserules/styles of play that conflict with your own. Otherwise, you may have to adjust to something new in order to make new friends and have a good time.
I've definitely been out in the D&D group wilderness. I'd literally rather be back to online dating. At least I got a mediocre lay out of that once in a while...
I've definitely been out in the D&D group wilderness. I'd literally rather be back to online dating. At least I got a mediocre lay out of that once in a while...
Beoric
8, 8, I forget what is for
ME: Have you seen my Dungeon Master's Guide?
Kid (points at bookshelf): Isn't it over there? Really, you have D&D books everywhere.
ME: That's my fifth edition Dungeon Master's Guide. I don't need my second edition Dungeon Master's Guide, or my fourth edition Dungeon Master's Guide, or my fifth edition Dungeon Master's Guide, I need my first edition Dungeon Master's Guide.
Kid: There are way too many editions. How many editions are there?
ME: Well, that depends on how you count them...
Kid (points at bookshelf): Isn't it over there? Really, you have D&D books everywhere.
ME: That's my fifth edition Dungeon Master's Guide. I don't need my second edition Dungeon Master's Guide, or my fourth edition Dungeon Master's Guide, or my fifth edition Dungeon Master's Guide, I need my first edition Dungeon Master's Guide.
Kid: There are way too many editions. How many editions are there?
ME: Well, that depends on how you count them...